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This article addresses debates in contemporary industrial relations about practical application of pluralism. We compare the potential efficacy of 'radical-pluralism' and 'neo-pluralism'. Data comes from analysis of employment relationships in two unionised public transport sector organisations, in the comparative country contexts of the UK and Republic of Ireland. It is argued that radical-pluralist framing of the employment relationship is better equipped than neo-pluralism to provide deeperdoi:10.1177/0022185620957700 fatcat:s3a3gxafinbdljnhiepe37jvsa