AbstractI discuss my stellar evolution codeEvin the context of simulations of large clusters of stars. It has long been able to handle single stars, and also binary stars up to a point. That point is far beyond what other codes are able to do, but well short of what is necessary for believable simulations. A recent version,Ev(Twin), can in principle deal with the contact phase of binary evolution, but it is not yet clear what the physical interaction is that needs to be simulated.An upgrade,

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... ch I hope will be only a few lines, should allow it to follow Kozai cycles with tidal friction, a process that strongly influences the orbital period of close pairs that reside within wide, non-coplanar triples. However, there are many substantial gaps in the physics of even single stars, let alone binaries or triples.